tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post4441833762676023930..comments2023-10-23T15:54:13.715-04:00Comments on The Dark Blue Jacket: Bobby Ryan v Carter. Anson that is...Tomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03563836029433927521noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post-88561562330459668402012-07-05T23:47:53.721-04:002012-07-05T23:47:53.721-04:00Let me see if I understand. It's perfectly alr...Let me see if I understand. It's perfectly alright for a "desperate' team; i.e. Jackets to overpay for any talent in the free market place. But don't go asking for a higher-than-market , or even comparable return when that door swings the other way. Nashes numbers have been down because he has taken shifts, games, and entire weeks off. I've been known to inquire if there is a physical ailment involved that can excuse the level of play. His play was not the only one to suffer this malady, but it was the most obvious. A nationally televised game, or a Hockey Night in Ca. and there he was, just like he was 22 again. I tend to agree wth an earlier post on this site, at this point, it's nobodys fault but Rick Nash that people aren't lining up for his services, and if the powers that be don't get a proper offer for him then ENFORCE HIS CONTRACT!!! This is not the n.b.a. where all you have to do is show up to get 5 million a year.It isn't as if he can be a much bigger crybaby than carter was before he left.My point is, he put himself in this position, its time for him to accept some of the responsibility. Personally, i'm a little tired of hearing how he has "held this franchise up by himself for so long". Maybe if he wasn't making all those one on three rushes and occasionally passing to an open man, or perhaps down in the crease area(where he has scored so many of his goals) this entire discussion might be different.I will be glad when this is over. It MAY mark a turning point for this franchise, one in which it finally becomes a team, not Rick and the Blue Jackets.J F H Jacketnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post-9969529931242770322012-07-05T22:05:07.711-04:002012-07-05T22:05:07.711-04:00Ya, OK, I see your point. The trick is 'the p...Ya, OK, I see your point. The trick is 'the player'. Use NYR for example. Dubinsky isn't Nash. Who else do you add? And therein lies the problem, because the way the NYR add, and the way we add are probably quite different.Galloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151870407426712857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post-9741266968810811432012-07-05T20:44:13.254-04:002012-07-05T20:44:13.254-04:00The Jackets should trade Nash for a value he is wo...The Jackets should trade Nash for a value he is worth: a similarly-aged player (or players) with similar-ish production and add in some less-than-certain project players and draft picks (this part is where the extra value can be added, depending on the desperation of the team involved). He is not worth a king's ransom. <br /><br />And I say this as someone who considers Nash to be my favorite NHL player: the reality of the situation is that the prices reported by TSN folks and the other GM reactions are to be expected. It's not belittling Nash's value (but to an extent it is removing the emotional connection involved, even for me).<br /><br />To ask for the moon is expected (and an acceptable starting point) but not realistic for a final deal. The team should have to expect similar value (or perhaps a slight overpayment) for Nash. Perhaps waiting could garner a bit more, but it's hard for me to imagine getting a franchise cornerstone in return. And this probably isn't a popular view and maybe that's seen as a "loss" to fans, but the Jackets also have to contend with Nash being less than the ultrastar his salary suggests he should have been.zekebudhttp://inwordsandphrases.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post-68178352474566043452012-07-05T20:19:34.705-04:002012-07-05T20:19:34.705-04:00Ok I can get your point. So if the two concepts a...Ok I can get your point. So if the two concepts are compatible, what do you do? Are you going back to Nash and Resnick and saying 'we value you more than anyone else, you're not going anywhere'? If you listen to Ten Minute Misconduct, and I do, this is not a tenable future. At the end of the day, you don't HAVE to trade him. He can always choose whether he reports. On the other hand, all bridges are burning brightly. So Howson should accept less than he's worth just to move him? I'm not getting (no shock there) the strategy you think is correct.Galloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06151870407426712857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5796383459721793585.post-22489274039105769322012-07-05T19:56:03.589-04:002012-07-05T19:56:03.589-04:00Nash is also on the down-swing, on the wrong side ...Nash is also on the down-swing, on the wrong side of the average age for an NHL prime point producer (being around 25) and has an albatross of a contract. And there's no guarantee that he's going to turn into Anson Carter: one Mr. Dany Heatly, noted former 100-point and 50-goal scorer, was moved to join future-hall-of-famer and setup man extraordinaire Joe Thornton in San Jose. His goal scoring did not improve as he continued to age and eventually fell off like is the case for most players as they age.<br /><br />The trick is that that Nash is non-valuable (far from it). The trick is that these high-value pieces that Columbus wants are worth more than Rick Nash. I took a cursory look at this today (http://inwordsandphrases.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/nashwatch2012-lets-play-the-youre-the-gm-game/) and if I were in the shoes of the Carolina GM or the San Jose GM I'd have a tough time giving up some of my future stars (and current near-Nash producers) like Skinner or Couture for an aging player with a massive contract. I'd be even less likely to want that trade if the other team asked for more than just one young roster player.<br /><br />Sure there's more to it that just point production, but looking from afar Nash's best years were producing with low-level quality of competition (from BehindTheNet.ca) and it's hard to imagine that improving young and cheap (and that's important; their contracts don't restrict future moves) forwards are worth surrendering for an aging not-quite-super-star.<br /><br />Yes, Howson should be looking for a big return for Rick Nash and, yes, he has been asking for too much. And believe it or not: these two concepts are compatible.zekebudhttp://inwordsandphrases.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com